(history is very tricky, its best to discuss your thoughts and ideas with your teammates. glhf)
In a recent column, the president of the American Historical Association warns historians against the lure of presentism—that is, focusing too much on the 20 and 21 centuries—and against sifting selectively though the past to find support for their current social agendas. For that, there are sociologists (and the current Supreme Court). Some critics responded that he was discounting the voices of marginalized peoples, others that historians have always had agendas and points of view. Discuss with your team: should historians spend less time on periods in which injustice was widespread, and more on those in which people were striving to overcome it? Is it possible to look at the past without interpreting it through a modern lens? If we could, would we want to?
- James H. Sweet, president of the American Historical Association, warns historians in this column against the lure of presentism—that is, focusing too much on the 20th and 21st centuries—and against sifting selectively though the past to find support for their current social agendas. We at present also have the increasing tendency to interpret the past through the lens of the present. This new history often ignores the values and mores of people in their own times as the past is evaluated through social justice issues of the present.
- If history are just past stories that confirm our political agendas then it is dilettantism (interested in it but not involved).
The invention of the camera in the 1800s changed how we've pictured history ever since; now we know what things looked like. Where we once had myth, now we have newspaper clippings. This abundance of images presents a challenge for those producing stories set in photographed times: to build realistic sets, and to cast actors who look enough like their historical counterparts to be believable in those roles. Consider the actors who have played individuals such as Princess Diana, Nelson Mandela, and Abraham Lincoln, then discuss with your team: how important is it that those who play historical figures resemble them physically? Would it have been all right for a short obese man to play Lincoln in a movie, as long he grew a beard and wore a hat? What if it were in a play instead, or a musical? And, once technology permits, will it be better to reconstruct historical figures with CGI than to try to find human lookalikes?
- I don’t know if any of the actors will be mentioned in the challenge or bowl but memorize the names of the actors. The only actors I have seen performed were Emma Corrin and Elizabeth Debicki in Netflix’s The Crown s4-s5 (the cast change every 2 years). I have not watched Kristen Stewart’s performance in Spencer but I laugh when watching that gif of her moving side to side in the hallway (lol its this one).
- The importance of having a physique similar to the figure being portrayed or having similar facial features definitely has a huge criteria when making a biopic or any kind of reenactment. Many films and television shows are basing the plot off a historical time. Examples of films would be Whitney Houston’s biopic, Elton John’s, Queens particularly Freddie Mercury, and recently House of Gucci. Television shows on the other hand are The Crown, The Assassination of Gianni Versace, Mrs. America (kind of ironic Cate is an Aussie not American lol), and Dickinson. If you look at the cast and compare it to the original figure, the actors may not look exactly alike however they have a similar facial structure that the make up artists can work on enhancing and transforming them closely to the original figure. I don’t know how to answer this ”Would it have been all right for a short obese man to play Lincoln in a movie, as long he grew a beard and wore a hat?” I would just rant saying how there are other actors that could qualify more than him base on vocal similarity & physical appearance (lol).
- Now if it was a play or musical, I think the closest thing they could cast an Abraham Lincoln is to look white (or is white), be somewhat tall (they can add insoles in the actors shoes to make him taller), and just have a really good beard and cosmetics that will look like him. Not necessarily copy and pasting his wardrobe but making it more safe for the actors to change in especially during song numbers or parts where they have to do a quick change.
- “And, once technology permits, will it be better to reconstruct historical figures with CGI than to try to find human lookalikes?” This process is actually real and it’s so creepy (imo). I want to talk on two examples. First one being, using technology to actually try and reconstruct on how a historical figure looked like during their time BUT not being used for film or media purposes. An example is the reconstruction of the face of Tutankhamun, the Egyptian Pharaoh who lived over 3,000 years ago. Scientists used computerized reconstruction techniques to create a 3D model of his face. Another example is the reconstruction of the face of the Mayan ruler Pakal, who lived around 2,300 years ago. 11 scans of Pakal's skull were taken and used to create a 3D model of his face, which was then used to create a realistic rendering. There have also been reconstructions done on other historical figures, such as Robert the Bruce and Anne of Bohemia. New technologies are being developed to create more accurate reconstructions of historical figures' faces. For example, in recent years scientists have used DNA analysis to reconstruct the face of a woman named Cheddar Man, who lived around 10,000 years ago. They were able to use her DNA to paint a more accurate picture of what she may have looked like. Second point being, is using an actors previous images or videos to reconstruct a face while having a stand in or double body. The only example I can think of is Paul Walker. He passed away mid production of the 7th movie of the Fast and Furious franchise. How did they continue the movie? Well the production of the movie continued by using a combination of body doubles and CGI. Cody Walker, Paul Walker's brother, served as a body double and was used in some scenes to help finish the production of the movie. Additionally, CGI was used to include Paul in some scenes where it was not possible to use his brother.
- I know the question focuses on how technology will be used on reconstructing historical figures with CGI but I think Hollywood, or the whole tv & film industry in general, would definitely take a cheaper route because there is no way they're actually going to commit to CGI-ing & face dotting to an actor lookalike. Unless they’re gonna make an animated movie, or show, using face dots, and the whole process idk wat its called, similar to how K/DA & Until Dawn (the game yes) recorded the actors facial expressions, body movement, not to mention their voice too. So they’ll probably have to resort to human lookalikes base on physical appearance and might have to hire a voice actor if they want them to be speaking in the way they want that person to be like. Again it on the decision of creators, producers and people in charge to take imitative on what they will be allocating their budget to. Is it to have an actor who some what resembles the historical figure and spend money on makeup and cosmetics to make them really look like them or spend money on CGI artists to reconstruct, or construct, the historical figure with many references but on a time limit?
The musical Hamilton defied the expectation of what actors in historical dramas should look like (and sound like!) by explicitly casting Black actors as famous American political leaders and then telling their story in hip-hop-inspired song and dance numbers. Some have celebrated the way it gives a traditionally marginalized group control of the narrative; history is being reinvented as their story, too, and shared with millions of people in a way that casts them as founding heroes. Others have argued that, while it may seem to empower them, it actually forces Black actors to play-act as their own oppressors, exalting the very history that undermined them, and that it may even make modern Americans feel better about people often assumed to be heroes who actually owned slaves—such as George Washington. Others worry that the musical distorts American history into a simple tale of heroes and villains; put another way, we shouldn't hate so much on Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr, and maybe we're overthinking what happened in the room. Explore these and other debates about the musical, then discuss with your team: does "color-conscious casting" open doors to new stories and help move society in a progressive direction, or does it lead to harmful disinformation and the perpetuation of existing barriers? Can we learn helpful truths from an invented past?
- Some expressed their anger about a Black woman playing a white historical figure while others remarked on their desire to see Black actors in new narratives created by, for, and about people of color. The perils of color-blind casting in “Hamilton'' are especially difficult to detect. For one, many consider it an example of color-conscious casting rather than color-blind casting. The latter is a practice rejecting the past and present in favor of an idealized post-racial future which it is desperate to symbolize. “Hamilton” may be a revolutionary Black, brown, and multicolored agent of change on the outside, but it is a mainstream white history lesson on the inside: a history lesson taught through fantastic music, entrancing choreography, nuanced acting, and terrific set design. It is crucial, then, to separate how the show is brought to life artistically from who brings the show to life and why. “Hamilton”’s method of conveying history is problematic but it nevertheless redefines the boundaries of theater by foregrounding innovation, hip-hop, and BIPOC talent. (all from the first article linked, also read the second one ure on ur own for that so get a better understanding on wat the author is saying or the purpose of the paper)
- Color conscious casting is defined as a form of casting where emphasis is placed on the racial diversity and representation of the cast, with an aim of making the cast more representative of the diverse, multicultural population of the world. This type of casting helps to create a more inclusive, accepting environment, and can also help to challenge any stereotypes or misconceptions that may exist in a given project. Take example, besides the Hamilton, The Great Comet of 1912. A musical based on Tolstoy’s War and Peace set in Moscow and St. Petersburg. The diverse casting of the show helps to reinforce themes of acceptance, understanding, and compassion, which are all explored in the show. The characters represent people from different backgrounds and experiences, creating a richer story and allowing audiences to empathize with characters they may not have otherwise related to. According to the creator of the show Dave Malloy he said in an interview they are the reflection of a modern day New York City, thus a diverse cast. The casting has lead them to more opportunities and more recognition until the controversy with Okieriete Onaodowan after Josh Groban, who was the lead actor, left. Does "color-conscious casting" open doors to new stories and help move society in a progressive direction, or does it lead to harmful disinformation and the perpetuation of existing barriers? Color-conscious casting has definitely opened new and more doors for the stories. Take example, thanks to the popularity of Hamilton the Musical the fans have taken more interest in the lives of the people, visit museums, places they've been and even (i guess) write fanfiction for their own interest. That has allowed them to move forward in a progressive direction while also looking at the past. It can also be a form of harmful disinformation since the actors in the show are not accurate or true to its origin race letting the audience think “Oh the character they're playing was historically white” or “they're playing a historical Filipino character in the Vietnam war” (hi miss saigon). Try putting yourselves in the perspective of a first time theatre watcher. This affect the race and the character they’re playing, maybe not to you but to the show.
- Can we learn helpful truths from an invented past? Absolutely! By exploring an invented past, we can learn valuable lessons about our present and future. For example, looking at a fictional world and its characters can help us develop a better understanding of our own reality and the complex moral decisions we face. Additionally, an invented past can provide us with an opportunity to think critically about our values, beliefs, and actions. Even if we cannot learn from an invented past, we can still use the stories and characters to reflect on the realities of our own lives. Fiction can provide us with a way to gain understanding of our own experiences, and help us to explore and make sense of different points of view. The only difference would be we cannot directly apply the knowledge because it either hasn't happened or the concept is too fictional.
In a sort of inverse of the situation around Hamilton, the director of a play (The Mountaintop) about the Black civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr. triggered a controversy in 2015 when he cast a white actor in the title role. His hope, he said, had been to explore issues of identity and authenticity, especially in light of King's own words about not judging people by their skin color. The original author of the play objected, calling it a disrespectful distortion of history and of her intentions. Discuss with your team: should there be limits to how much one should be allowed to reimagine the past, or an author's intent, in a historical production? Is there a difference between casting a person from a privileged group as a historically oppressed person and casting a person from a historically oppressed group as a privileged person? And should stories set in the past come with warning labels about inaccurate content and/or non-traditional casting—or would no one ever be able to agree on what to write on the labels?
- Director Michael Oatman cast both a white actor and an African American actor to share the role of MLK as he “truly wanted to explore the issue of racial ownership and authenticity”. The director wanted King to be be judged by the content of his character and not the color of his skin. “I wanted the contrast...I wanted to see how the words rang differently or indeed the same, coming from two different actors, with two different racial backgrounds.”